Raidiquette, the Lost Art of not Being an Ass

Perhaps milady would like to "pwn some fuglies" for "teh phat lewtz"?

Perhaps milady would like to "pwn some fuglies" for "teh phat lewtz"?

So last week I briefly touched upon the concept of “Radittude” and the idea that you need to be prepared to fill whatever role is necessary.  Anyone who takes raiding seriously should see the need to have an attitude of giving to the whole of the guild.  However, it won’t just be your raidittude that people see when you’re out there downing boss after boss.  Another aspect of your playstyle will be on full display and this can trip you up with the guild just as easily as the other.  I speak of “Raidiquette.”

We’ve all seen it or at least heard a horror story or two regarding it.  Perhaps there was an issue regarding loot and someone insisted they deserve it more than who received it.  Or maybe an off color comment aimed at one of the officers or the women in the guild degenerates into a shouting match.  It could even be so simple as a wipe or two resulting in a frustrated member calling out individual people and trying their hardest to embarrass failbots.  No matter how it happens, improper raidiquette can quickly and effectively kill a mood of accomplishment and in worst case scenarios result in gkicks and quits.

Now bad raidiquette can be somewhat unavoidable and in it’s milder forms tolerable.  If you regularly run 25 mans, there’s a one in twenty-four chance that one of your party members is just going to be a complete and total horse’s ass.  The best you can hope for is to try and have good raidiquette yourself and hope that if someone else becomes an asshat the problem can be quashed quickly and without drama.  However, that’s unavoidable sometimes.

One of the bigger offenders to raider sensibilities are going to be the people with a sense of entitlement.  These are the people who believe that since they attend somewhere in the range of 99% of all raids and are up to date on strats and gear, that they’re the de facto best of their class in the guild.  Because of this inflated ego, they also believe they deserve to be geared out first and will argue their point ad nauseam.  Everyone has heard the line “I can’t believe I’ve been trying for (insert loot here) for WEEKS and this newb comes along and wins it on his THIRD run!”  Pointing out how short a time someones been running a raid and claiming you deserve an item more then they do because of it is just bad raidiquette and damn annoying.  They helped to down the boss just as much as you did and regardless of how long they’ve been doing it are just as entitled to this kill’s loot as you are.

There’s also the know-it-all, that one person who knows where everyone needs to be and what spells they need to be casting.  God help you if you fuck up, cause the know-it-all will appear over your corpse with a 10 page powerpoint presentation to display to the entirety of the raid just where you went wrong.  Beyond the simple fact that everyone despises people who try to tell them how to play their class, this person also raises the ire of the experienced raider.  This is because they draw from an assumption that not only do you not know how to play your class, but also that you don’t know how to play the game.  And are a moron.  Oh, and you drool on yourself and probably wear diapers because you’re too dumb to find the bathroom.  Only the know-it-all can tell you where it is, but he’s too busy guiding the raid to victory.

Then there’s the immature player who finds the words pee and poop hilarious and doesn’t know when to stop when it comes to making “jokes” in raid chat or on vent.  These are the people who are all too willing to take a joke just a little too far and often jump on the opportunity without thought.  Usually the escalation is something like this: “Hey, man, I hear your sister’s in the hospital”  “Yeah, his sister’s in there cause of all the BUTTSECKS I gave here, ROFLCOPTER.”  Normally these kind of people can be ignored, but every once in a while they go just a little too far and can disrupt an entire raid evening.  Also be careful of others who find these people funny, because that can encourage them to continue because they truly believe they are some sort of comedian.

The worst offenders though are raid leaders who have improper raidittude.  The worst kind are loot whores who feel that the rules regarding distribution can be changed and flow at whim in order to suit their needs.  These are the people who may stack the raid so that they’re the only ones of their class and therefore have less competition.  Or you’ll down a boss and all of a sudden there’s a loot council for one particular item whereas before it was all just random rolling.  These are the people who will quickly and effectively kill a raid because plain and simple, no one wants to be cheated and that’s exactly what these people are doing.

Of course, these are just a few examples and are more likely to be seen during a PuG than if you regularly do guild runs.  However, they can pop up even during guild runs and the trick is to quickly diffuse the situation in order to minimize the damage to morale.  A member who is consistently disrupting raids with bad raidiquette should be re-evaluated to determine if it’s worthwhile to keep their shenanigans around.  A leader who constantly practices this kind of behavior though, will quickly find his guild base eroding beneath him.  The only thing you can really do is just try to be a good raider yourself and respect everyone around you.  Either way, gentle jerkwads, place that book on your head, lift your pinkies when you sip (not slurp!) tea and remember, always right over left, because a lady reveals nothing.



14 Responses to “Raidiquette, the Lost Art of not Being an Ass”

  1. 1 Will Leshner
    03/10/2009 at 9:53 AM

    I think, though, that I’d feel bad if I were a newcomer and got loot that somebody who’d been in the guild longer had been wanting. I have a fear of loot drama and would happily pass on pretty much anything to avoid it.

  2. 03/10/2009 at 10:23 AM

    Ha…reading this I come across as a know it all.



  3. 03/10/2009 at 10:28 AM

    @Amber: Thank god, I haven’t been able to find my bathroom for weeks! Seriously though, it’s ok to give other players tips, but I’m talking more of the person who is constantly telling everyone in the raid what they need to be doing and then if they mess up just once or do it a different way, they’re all over them like white on rice. It’s ok to know, just don’t know it all.

    @Will: I have that same fear and yes, it sucks for the person who’s been there longer. But it creates an environment of unfairness to all of a sudden say “no, you can’t have item o’ uberness because Jokerextraordinarre over here deserves it more.”

  4. 4 Chibikeni
    03/10/2009 at 10:53 AM

    Oh I’ve seen a pug shammy join a Naxx-10 (because of desperate looking for a healer and a resto shammy in particular) and man it was mail drop night ta Naxx…the fella actually rolled for ALL kinds of mail beside his healing gear, saying stuff like ‘Ima need that for elem off spec..’ or ‘This looks good for my enhancement..’.

    There was only another mail user, a guildie hunter who was also in the raid but needed a couple of armor and a new weapon. the hunter politely rolled together to show ‘fair game’ as the hunter is a casual raider but in one’s viewpoint, the shammy’s was pushing his luck too much needing ALL the gear.

    Geared partially in blues, Recount shows his healing was not giving a 100% (maybe a 1/3 heals between 3 healers performance) and kept OOM from Chain Heals (and ONLY chain heals he casted). By Sapphrion, we’ve explained to the shammy that the ‘Key to the Focusing Iris’ would be only open to guild members only but somehow when the rolls were called for they key, the shammy ROLLED on it too.

    Thank goodness the Key was won by a guildie but we were very annoyed by the shammy’s raiding etiquette in particular…

  5. 5 Scrat!
    03/10/2009 at 11:43 AM

    Perhaps milady would like to “pwn some fuglies” for “teh phat lewtz”?

    Best line on the internet. Congrats.

  6. 6 Scrat!
    03/10/2009 at 11:51 AM

    The whole post reads like a Yahtzee video.
    I loved it.
    Best post so far. No joke.

    Although it needs some drawrings (misspelled intentionally)

  7. 03/10/2009 at 1:28 PM

    (@Scrat! – Simon’s drawrings, of course! :D)

    @Dueg – That was amusing. The worst know-it-alls (imo) are the ones that clearly DON’T know it all. Like.. when they tell you how you need to use spell and that spell while standing on your head behind so&so, but that doesn’t even fit your spec….

  8. 03/10/2009 at 1:31 PM

    Reading this I do feel a bit bad about what I’ve been thinking about some of my guildies recently. I admit, as someone who has never missed a raid and then to lose a BiS weapon to an alt who has never raided before who was pulling 1.2k DPS who used BC DKP, I was miffed.

    And I do try not to tell healers what spell to cast, however I die easily when they’re casting lesser heal on me and that kinda gets me miffed.

    So I guess the question is, how far do you take raidquette and bite your lip? I’m at the point where I had to spec out of DPS talents to take self heal abilities so I could live through encounters.

  9. 03/10/2009 at 1:40 PM

    I am nice and quiet and polite during raids.

    Then I just smack talk everyone on my blog.


  10. 03/10/2009 at 1:58 PM

    Heh, love the title … and everything else. Great writing.

  11. 11 Noxt
    03/11/2009 at 4:00 AM

    I found this post quite humorous.

    Well done my friend, well done.

  12. 03/11/2009 at 8:16 AM

    @ Will – it’s understable as a newcomer to not want to start the drama. I myself having recently joined Ambrosyne’s guild went to my first raid on my alt and purposely didn’t roll on anything until Sarth dropped a ring and no one else rolled.

    The loot drama was a big reason why I left my last guild. Especially after two of the top 5 geared players wanted to change the loot rules in such a way to favor them again. They didn’t have any problem with loot as they were gearing up since a ‘healers and tanks first’ rule applied at the time.

    Another reason was what I considered to be a negative approach to correcting people. We didn’t always have to do this, but it did happen. Most people, including members, didn’t see it as negative. But to me when someone drops the F-bomb (i.e. ‘Who f’d up?! It’s going to be a f’ing wipe! You guys need to f’ing pay attention! G.. D… I can’t believe it!’), it sets the negative tone that feeds on itself and I find I’d rather be elsewhere.

    Some might thrive in a raiditude like that. I don’t.

  13. 03/11/2009 at 11:28 AM

    @Kaleyen: I think I was a little unclear on that point. The person I’m deriding here is the one who waits till after the roll then bitches non stop for the rest of the night. If you’ve been with a guild for a while and have earned the right for an item, it should be discussed before the raid starts and make sure everyone knows. It makes sense from a guild viewpoint to gear out people who are there all the time, but people should be aware of what kind of loot situation they’re stepping into before the raid begins.

    @Khaeli: I actually think that’s a good situation. You don’t disrupt the raid while it’s in progress, but still get to vent and if your guildies come and read the post, at least they know that they’re fucking up.

    @Kyr: Loot drama is the biggest load of crap ever because it’s easily avoidable if you just explain it beforehand. F-bombs are alright I think as long as you watch the tone you use when saying them. I usually curse like a drunken sailor, but try to keep my tone less than angry.

  14. 03/11/2009 at 12:59 PM

    I personally don’t like the F-bomb because I have a habit of saying it around my kids so the more I hear it the more I say it.

    As for the F-bomb bothering me, it’s only in the context. Using it when the stupid shade in Naxx pops up on top of you while everyone laughs at you is one thing. Using it while yelling at someone for making mistakes or underperforming is wholly another.

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