18
May
09

Being Faithful

More often then not, when someone reaches level 80 they will either join a new guild or are already part of one.  The reason for this is that people will have a tendency to want to explore the end game content.  Not content with simply being a level 80, they will often seek out new people in the form of a guild if their current one is not tackling the more difficult content and join up with a more professionally minded raiding team.  However, though they’re joining a team, an online raiding team is not as a serious as professional teams.  The social aspects of it mean that you’re not just raiding with these people, you’re in a relationship with them.

Like these people, but less creepy

Like these people, but less creepy

This isn’t the tee hee, red in the face as you whisper to your friends at your weekly slumber party kind of relationship though.  It’s more of a casual friendship that you strike up with people in order to accomplish short term goals, such as a bowling team or something along those lines.  These people rely on you to show up at the alloted time and date in order to accomplish goals that everyone has.  Some people are fanatically faithful, showing up for every raid at exactly the right time with extra consumables.  Others are more flaky, showing up late or possibly skipping nights or even a week or so at times in order to take care of other obligations.  They drive you nuts, but what’re you going to do?

There’s also one type of person who will draw the ire of every other raider in the guild if they find out what sort of infidelities are being perpetrated.  I talk of the unfaithful.  It’s only happened once or twice to my guild, but when it does, it immediately brought down the sky on the person who got caught.  What did they do?  They ran a raid with another guild or even worse, possibly a PuG.  One of the biggest rules in our guild is that all 25 man raids belong to the guild.  If you want to raid a 10 man, go ahead and pick up a group for it, but you don’t run guild sponsored raids with other people, it’s just tacky.  Aside from the fidelity aspect of it and expecting your raiders to be faithful, there can be other reasons behind it.

Maybe the perpetrator of this heinous crime missed out on running a raid with us earlier in the week and felt that since he or she missed the first night of the week, that they should run with some other people because they would be out.  This is the most likely excuse most of the time because it’s the most probable scenario that would lead to a raider having to run a 25 man with a different guild.  However, I would say that this excuse is still weak.  Unless we fully cleared the content that night (and that’s something that hasn’t been done since Ulduar came out), there’s no reason for you to ruin your raid ID for the week with another’s guild’s run.  If you missed out on the raid or the first night, you still have a chance to get gear with us on the next couple of nights.  The only way this is excusable is if the person was forced to sit or had a RL emergency and missed a full content clear on that single night, otherwise they need to wait and go with the guild.

Sometimes it’s intentional though.  Perhaps you’ve grown tired of your guild and are secretly shopping around for another or maybe you just got invited by a friend from the game and figured, eff it, you wanted to go now and weren’t going to wait for raid night.  Whatever the reason, you have committed a cardinal sin against your guild.  What’s the big deal?  Well, I’ll tell you, mister, the big deal is that you have just cost your guild an asset for the week.  Every player is an asset that has been groomed and rewarded by whatever guild they’re in, and the guild expects to have that asset available on raid days.  If you’re in the guild and are a regular raider, you are expected to be ready to go on raid nights which means a clean raid ID.

But what’s the social aspect of being unfaithful to your guild?  Well, other than the fact that you now have to miss out on the guild’s weekly run, you will also begin to get a reputation if you’re constantly popping up with other people’s raid IDs.  People will feel a sense of betrayal on you, an idea that another guild or team is more important than your own.  It will begin to poison people against you who before might have thought “he/she’s an ok kind of person” and now think “he/she’s an asshole kind of person” because you’re off raiding with somebody else.  In certain guilds this can even mean the death of a few raid nights if you play a critical role such as tank or healer in a tight membership guild.  Eventually it will end in a gquit or kick.

Of course if you’re in a guild that only runs ten mans or only runs 25 mans then more often than not you’re free to do the other types on your own time with whomever you like.  And there will be the occasional glitch or accidental saving to other IDs if you’re someone who PuGs in their off time often.  But the fact is that being unfaithful is an act of betrayal and one that can cost you your guild and possibly a friend or two.  And if you’re considering running raids with other guilds, you should probably be considering why you’re even in your current guild in the first place.  And before you cheat on your guild, just remember these words of wisdom from my childhood: cheaters never win, and winners never cheat.

-Dueg

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7 Responses to “Being Faithful”


  1. 1 soltaker
    05/18/2009 at 10:18 AM

    Even worse if those that bail after getting geared by the guild with the intention of them occupying a 25 man slot.

    It’s truly annoying to do 10 mans repeatedly, and paying out the rep bills gearing replacements who turn around and leave after getting all epiced out.

    I don’t mind getting them ready, but to just up and bail. Almost like saying “now that I’ve got my epics, I’m too good to play with you!”

  2. 05/18/2009 at 10:38 AM

    I agree with you, Dueg, and I really dislike hearing anyone say “oh I’m locked out” — even when it’s for something like VOA. None of this new content is on farm yet, and so for raiders to give themselves over to groups outside the guild is just poor form.

  3. 3 Light
    05/18/2009 at 12:38 PM

    Our guild is social and we don’t have 25 people (not even 10 most of the time) so PuGs/guild alliances it is.

    I don’t see leaving my friends any time soon to do the same thing we do with the other guilds we are friends with.

  4. 4 Jack
    05/18/2009 at 12:58 PM

    Wow, are all end game raiding guilds this strict? Maybe it’s just being all (relatively) noobish, but “we own you!” seems kinda’ harsh. Kinda’ like, not the guild I’d want to associate with anyway.

    I mean, I do understand the “you are a resource to the guild and we have helped you develop, you owe us,” point. And I agree with it. Totally. It would take a very selfish person to raid with their guild, get preference for gear drops that the guild, as a team, worked for . . . then make those drops unavailable.

    Maybe I’m just misunderstanding. It sounds like you’re saying that guild members must not only refrain from running raids that are scheduled or expected . . . but any raids. Like even if we’re scheduled to run either Obsidian Sanctum or Eye of Eternity this week . . . just in case the guild decides to try Ulduar, I’d better not get in on an Ulduar run. Loot, cool new content, friends who invite me along are all irrelevant because the guild just might change plans.

  5. 05/18/2009 at 3:44 PM

    @Jack – basically yes. If you’re unsure, ask an officer first. Each guild’s policy will be different, but that way they can let you know what the plans are for the week or they know what your plans are. Most guilds don’t mind as long as they know far enough in advance so they can prepare ahead of time.

    The big issue is expecting to have someone available only to find out at the last minute that someone isn’t and then wasting precious time trying to come up with a solution while 9 or 24 other people wait around.

  6. 6 Juzaba
    05/19/2009 at 10:20 AM

    My guild does sign-ups, and I’ve found that this makes it very easy to avoid the problem. Suddenly there is no issue with the guild “owning” your raid IDs as you are only responsible for the raids that you sign up for. There have been plenty of times that I knew I wasn’t going to make the guild’s run for whatever reason. So I PuG’d the raid and simply didn’t sign up for the guild’s raid. Those raiders who do sign up for a raid and then break that are much more culpable.

  7. 7 Fatboy Joe
    06/12/2009 at 5:43 AM

    I’ve started playing World of Warcraft on the 16st of Feb 2009. My main is a level 80 Orc warrior with prot as primary spec and arms as secondary spec. I spend about 3 to 4 hours playing on weekdays and a lot more on weekends.

    Today I feel like an addict to WoW, every Tuesday I feel “lost” and look forward to the server maintenance reset at 2 to 3 am local time. Just to check on AH and/or a quick daily.

    Reading this blog has just made me realise how bad I’ve become. My performance at work is affected and I should practise on the drums more (yeah I’m learning how to play the drums).

    There must be more to life than raiding. All this “wow-tiquette” and guild obligations suddenly seem trivial to my real life challenges.

    It is gonna be very hard for me but I have decided to treat WoW as merely a hobby. As in something to do when I’m free. So if my guild is going to feel bad about my attitude, I guess it is for the best that I leave (before I lose sense of reality).

    Paraphrased from Blizzard, “As in all things in life (and World of Warcraft), balance is important”


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